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are you willing to say we will put boots on the ground, something the obama administration does not want to do and the american people do not want to do right now? >> you have to ask. there are a whole series of options here that we can put into play. and it has to be a coordinated effort. this isn't just about mali. the french have very capable special forces. they are going to put hurt on these folks. there are things we can do for them short of boots on the ground. i would encourage the president to continue to do that. if you -- this is going to get worse. you cannot allow this to become a national security issue for the united states. i argue it has crossed that threshold. this area now attracting jihadists and they are really good at this stuff including hostage taking because they have been doing it for decades and have been the largest funder to al qaeda. this is a problem we have to deal with. we all ought to sit down and try to come to a consensus short of boots on the ground what options we have available and how we implement them to hasten french victory and to continue to pu
are you willing to say we will put boots on the ground, something the obama administration does not want to do and the american people do not want to do right now? >> you have to ask. there are a whole series of options here that we can put into play. and it has to be a coordinated effort. this isn't just about mali. the french have very capable special forces. they are going to put hurt on these folks. there are things we can do for them short of boots on the ground. i would encourage...
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the terror threat in north africa is a growing concern for the obama administration. one that is opening up an incredibly divisive debate about what the united states should do. pentagon correspondent chris lawrence is "outfront." hillary clinton says it's risky to ignore this rising threat. >> benghazi did not happen in a vacuum. instability in mali has created an expanding safe haven for terrorists. >> reporter: and the defense secretary sounds like a man ready to go on offense. >> we've got to go after al qaeda, wherever the hell they're at. and yes, in mali if necessary. >> reporter: but the white house is not embracing the same tough talk. >> we are working with france and support their effort in mali, and believe that the goal of preventing terrorists' safe haven is an important one. >> reporter: in public, the administration swings from forceful to tentative. a senior u.s. official said the defense secretary's tough talk is classic panetta. "he's letting the french know we've got their back in the offensive against al qaeda." u.s. military planes recently start
the terror threat in north africa is a growing concern for the obama administration. one that is opening up an incredibly divisive debate about what the united states should do. pentagon correspondent chris lawrence is "outfront." hillary clinton says it's risky to ignore this rising threat. >> benghazi did not happen in a vacuum. instability in mali has created an expanding safe haven for terrorists. >> reporter: and the defense secretary sounds like a man ready to go on...
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. >> as the obama administration agrees to aid france's military bombing in mali, over 20 foreign hostages remain unaccounted for in neighboring algeria in what has been described as one of the biggest international hostage crises in decades. then cycling legend lance armstrong admits to oprah winfrey he cheated his way to a record seven tour de france titles. >> yes or no. did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> yes or no. was one of those banned substances epo? >> yes. >> did you ever blood dope or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> will speak to sportswriter dave zirin, author of, "game over: how politics has turned the sports world upside down." as the fourth anniversary of roe v. wade approaches, we look at how antitrust legislation over the years has criminalize pregnancy, leaving hundreds of women to be forced to undergo unwanted medical procedures and locked up in jail or mental institutions all because there were pregnant? all that and more coming up. this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war
. >> as the obama administration agrees to aid france's military bombing in mali, over 20 foreign hostages remain unaccounted for in neighboring algeria in what has been described as one of the biggest international hostage crises in decades. then cycling legend lance armstrong admits to oprah winfrey he cheated his way to a record seven tour de france titles. >> yes or no. did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> yes or no. was...
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administration looks set to continue the use of military force to fulfill it saying. it's almost embarrassing you know as an american i have trouble keeping track of where our troops are these days where were intervening and so for me to try and predict where it's happening not to mention that there are secret operations going on around the world. do we have our troops in over one hundred countries and we must we intervene in the election processes in other places so there's not really any real. activity to do things other than militarily i'm a libertarian the way i'd like to see us affect other country's policies is by setting a good example of how other countries should act i don't want to force democracy or freedom at the point of a gun or airstrikes and i don't want to impose that on other countries. but saudis are up so far this morning kevin and thank you for being with us today from moscow . there are twelve cities in the united states in which half of the people with hiv aids lives within a year of a diagnosis of each of the over sixty two percent of those bes
administration looks set to continue the use of military force to fulfill it saying. it's almost embarrassing you know as an american i have trouble keeping track of where our troops are these days where were intervening and so for me to try and predict where it's happening not to mention that there are secret operations going on around the world. do we have our troops in over one hundred countries and we must we intervene in the election processes in other places so there's not really any...
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the obama administration to say this was a terrorist attack immediately. are they doing a good job handling this one? >> it is too early to tell. this is a difficult one. i'm not going to say that. when you have a group like this that is clearly well-organized, i think it was pre-planned, that had this much success with this many hostages. this is as hard a problem as it gets on the ground to unwind. the outcomes of these are not always great. that said, what we don't have is an overarching policy. this is what many of us have been talking about. mali is the first victim of libya, because of the weapon cashes that were raided and the inability of anyone to stop those weapons and people. you had tune you had tu nearbyians coming down. you have all of this converging together. it makes it a very, have he dangerous recipe. that's why you can't just handle mali or benghazi. you have to have an overarching plan that puts pressure on these groups. you can't just fire a few missiles and pack up and go home and hope for the best. it is not going to work. this is a
the obama administration to say this was a terrorist attack immediately. are they doing a good job handling this one? >> it is too early to tell. this is a difficult one. i'm not going to say that. when you have a group like this that is clearly well-organized, i think it was pre-planned, that had this much success with this many hostages. this is as hard a problem as it gets on the ground to unwind. the outcomes of these are not always great. that said, what we don't have is an...
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. >> the new york times reports the obama administration will tackle climate change this term by avoiding broad, far-reaching and birds through congress and instead focusing on administrative actions. these include reducing power plant emissions, increasing the efficiency of home appliances, and reducing the federal government's carbon footprint. although the white house is planning a campaign to build public support, environmentalist have been warned not to expect "full-scale engagement" what congress is preoccupied with other issues including gun control, immigration, and the federal budget. we'll have more from president obama's second inauguration after the headlines. algeria has confirmed the death toll from its recent hostage crisis and a southern gas field saying 37 foreigners and 11 workers lost their lives. the dead included three americans. the attackers came from algeria and neighboring mali as well as several foreign countries, including egypt and canada. algerian troops raided the complex over the weekend after the attackers were raided it last week, calling for an end to the
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administration across foreign policy process is a centrally run process out of the white house by the national security advisor, by the president, the vice president. i think you will see more of that, so we will see more of the same, with a few exceptions. >> is stepping back approach, and you think that is going to be showing in mali and syria? we are likely -- unlikely to see the u.s. taking the lead in those conflicts? >> i am worried. we had china and japan increasingly competitive with potential conflicts with territorial disputes in the south china sea. we had india and pakistan. we had new instability in northern africa. we have syria. we have a number of crises potentially multiplying, but i do not see a different or strong or old set of initiatives from the u.s. i hope so. ink tv. >> hello, the top stories. troops have retaken two central towns from rebel groups. the government extended the state of emergency by three months. soldiers in retreat briefly seized the information ministry. they have reportedly called on the government to pass a draft constitution and release pol
administration across foreign policy process is a centrally run process out of the white house by the national security advisor, by the president, the vice president. i think you will see more of that, so we will see more of the same, with a few exceptions. >> is stepping back approach, and you think that is going to be showing in mali and syria? we are likely -- unlikely to see the u.s. taking the lead in those conflicts? >> i am worried. we had china and japan increasingly...
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was in power and now the obama administration has you know uniformly embraced it the obama administration has aggressively refused to allow any checks and balances and has even refused congressional requests to disclose how many americans are have been spied on so things like that i mean they're really troubling and i don't think he's going to get as much pushback from congress says as one might hope in the foreign policy realm obama as unfortunately continued much of his predecessor's excesses and recklessness we will see a continuation of foreign policy of extreme interventionism getting involved in every corner of the planet regardless of the consequences. israel seems to be bringing up a generation of young patriots for money and government awards bonus high school teachers who succeeded in motivating students to do their army service for more on that head to our t. dot com. also on mind europe encased in snow as extremely low temperatures result in transport chaos and flight canceled across the continent. now for a look at more news making headlines around the world to packed commute
was in power and now the obama administration has you know uniformly embraced it the obama administration has aggressively refused to allow any checks and balances and has even refused congressional requests to disclose how many americans are have been spied on so things like that i mean they're really troubling and i don't think he's going to get as much pushback from congress says as one might hope in the foreign policy realm obama as unfortunately continued much of his predecessor's excesses...
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in some ways efforts by the obama administration actually slow down the american with respect to the foreign policy there are are you hopeful signs all the nomination hate all of my but given the extent to which the obama administration still seems to be wedded to a program of using drones. our has the various laws specifically the issue of being able to target and assassinate people sensibly around the world including the beer's americans i'm not sick or sanguine about the prospects or seeing us move or for the united states being a country which basically respects international we and also ties we respect the liberties of our own people. israel will elect a new parliament on tuesday and prime minister benjamin netanyahu predicted to come out on top here many israelis don't think his policies are radical enough with a one time netanyahu supporter reaping the rewards. reports on why the israeli there even has to fight against his former allies now. he's the surprise success story of israel's election campaign one twin millionaire who says a palestinian state would be suicide for isra
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was in power and now the obama administration has you know uniformly embraced it the obama administration has aggressively refused to allow any checks and balances and has even refused congressional requests to disclose how many americans have been spied on so things like that i mean a really troubling and i don't think he's going to get as much pushback from congress as as one might hope in the foreign policy realm obama as unfortunately continued much of his predecessor's excesses and recklessness we will see a continuation of foreign policy of extreme interventionism getting involved in every corner of the planet regardless of the consequences. when i return back to our top story this hour the aftermath of the deadly hostage siege in algeria carried out by islamist terrorists in retaliation for the french campaign in mali live to a former british ambassador to algeria graeme han. from london thank you for being with us with us ambassador several british civilians were among those killed during the gas plant takeover will go in continue do you think to support the french intervention in
was in power and now the obama administration has you know uniformly embraced it the obama administration has aggressively refused to allow any checks and balances and has even refused congressional requests to disclose how many americans have been spied on so things like that i mean a really troubling and i don't think he's going to get as much pushback from congress as as one might hope in the foreign policy realm obama as unfortunately continued much of his predecessor's excesses and...
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saying in some ways efforts by the obama administration actually slow down the american way with respect to the foreign policy there are are you hopeful signs over the nomination hey goal by but given the extent to which the obama administration still seems to be wedded to a program of using drones the hour it has on the various laws specifically the issue of being able to target and assassinate people sensibly around the world including the fears americans are not sick or sanguine about the prospects or or toward the united states being a country which basically respects international we and also desires we respect the liberties of our own people. also we have for you this hour damascus calls on the syrian opposition to lay down arms the country's minister remains preconditions for talks while the opposition coalition seeks more backing to form a transitional government. and the wrong name for your life later on we have a story about half naked man from a train in the middle of a frozen forest and manage to survive that's coming up after the short break. we speak your language. programs
saying in some ways efforts by the obama administration actually slow down the american way with respect to the foreign policy there are are you hopeful signs over the nomination hey goal by but given the extent to which the obama administration still seems to be wedded to a program of using drones the hour it has on the various laws specifically the issue of being able to target and assassinate people sensibly around the world including the fears americans are not sick or sanguine about the...
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it is not surprising that the obama administration did not submit -- respond, but you have to look beyond -- that is a minor blip. they were defeated in a rock in afghanistan. the american people don't seem to perceive that. the muslim world sees it very clearly. been both superpowers, and that is the issue we are facing. a movement that is not -- if we are l done facing it in mali, algeria, somalia, pakistan, looking at it as kind of separate issues, t is all one movement, all sol -- self perpetuating, and it is all motivated by our intervention. the french have united a very disparate group of islamist organizations and molly by intervening there. lou: and as michael is it out, the united states debated, as he characterized, and by the way, i am not sure that the national media even confronts that certain reality that the united states has lost. those are not words that trip easily off the american time. >> no, but these are the consistent notions, perceptions. absolutely. if you listen to them, read their statements, including the few weeks ago, you pretty much convinced that we have b
it is not surprising that the obama administration did not submit -- respond, but you have to look beyond -- that is a minor blip. they were defeated in a rock in afghanistan. the american people don't seem to perceive that. the muslim world sees it very clearly. been both superpowers, and that is the issue we are facing. a movement that is not -- if we are l done facing it in mali, algeria, somalia, pakistan, looking at it as kind of separate issues, t is all one movement, all sol -- self...
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was in power and now the obama administration has you know uniformly embraced it the obama administration has aggressively refused to allow any checks and balances and has even refused congressional requests to disclose how many americans are from been spied on so things like that i mean they're really troubling and i don't think he's going to get as much pushback from congress as as one might hope in the foreign policy realm obama has unfortunately continued much of his predecessors excesses and recklessness we will see a continuation of foreign policy of extreme interventionism getting involved in every corner of the planet regardless of the consequences. also out for you this hour here in r t damascus calls on the syrian opposition to lay down arms the country's main preconditions for talks while the opposition coalition seeks more backing to form a government. and one for your life later on we have the story of a half naked man who fell from a train in the middle of a frozen forest i managed to survive but that's coming up after this short break to stay with us. election. eve. an issu
was in power and now the obama administration has you know uniformly embraced it the obama administration has aggressively refused to allow any checks and balances and has even refused congressional requests to disclose how many americans are from been spied on so things like that i mean they're really troubling and i don't think he's going to get as much pushback from congress as as one might hope in the foreign policy realm obama has unfortunately continued much of his predecessors excesses...
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administration to deal with a post assad syria. i do you know i don't think i don't think they're prepared to deal with that at all one of the problems with the various american led interventions over the years whether we're talking about bosnia kosovo libya and hopefully not in the future syria is that the goal mediately defined comes first and then worry about the consequences later is something that is not fully taken into account we look at for example the aftershocks of libya in mali and in algeria ok we will leave it and former us senate foreign policy adviser thank you for your time thank you good times at goldman sachs staff at the investment giant are reported to be getting a significant salary boost but a lot of that money has been made on the back of surging food prices which are leaving many around the world starving nearly my colleague in d.c. now we speak to our sees the legacy of ski he's been looking into the matter. this debate has been going on for many years now but this latest controversy is definitely making th
administration to deal with a post assad syria. i do you know i don't think i don't think they're prepared to deal with that at all one of the problems with the various american led interventions over the years whether we're talking about bosnia kosovo libya and hopefully not in the future syria is that the goal mediately defined comes first and then worry about the consequences later is something that is not fully taken into account we look at for example the aftershocks of libya in mali and...
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in some ways efforts by the obama administration actually slowed down the american way with respect to the foreign policy there are a few hopeful signs of the nomination haykel by but given the extent to which the obama administration still seems to be whether to program drones the hour it has the various laws specifically the issue of being able to target and assassinate people sensibly around the world including the fears americans are not sick or sanguine about the prospects or must move forward toward the united states being a country which basically respects international and also desires we respect the liberties of our own people. well still to come on the program support as israelis head to the polls on tuesday we'll look into why the country's prime minister benjamin netanyahu is losing many of his former votes. makes life complete. and happy family. or self-expression. it seems so true. it's a. mission . couldn't take free. free. free free. free. free. free books video for your media project free media r.t. dot com. and live from moscow this is our team lead to have you back w
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administration you're going to also see a very sort of middle of the road. new york we're going to talk about russia u.s. relations interesting enough kerry has criticized u.s. policy towards russia saying that the current state of relations between the two pole do you think you'll be able to soothe existing tensions. well let's think about that you know mr obama is in place for another four years and the secretary of state works at the pleasure of the president and at the direction of the president mr putin certainly is in place for the next four years so you know unless there's some meeting of the minds at the head of state level i really don't know what impact if secretary of state is going to mr lavrov i don't know that he's going to be going anywhere in the next four years it seems to me that the only place to go with bilateral relations with between the u.s. and russia right now is up and my expectation and hope is that that will be one of the priorities that mr kerry will put on his agenda starting this year when the net positive note thank you very m
administration you're going to also see a very sort of middle of the road. new york we're going to talk about russia u.s. relations interesting enough kerry has criticized u.s. policy towards russia saying that the current state of relations between the two pole do you think you'll be able to soothe existing tensions. well let's think about that you know mr obama is in place for another four years and the secretary of state works at the pleasure of the president and at the direction of the...
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diplomatic visits for the obama administration in the past few years particularly in pakistan but his ability to actually negotiate serious deals is is very much on proven and other than his ability to make speeches i don't think we know an awful lot about what ill what he'll bring to the table as the secretary just finally will second choice wasn't because susan rice was actually the perfect candidate for a bomber and then of course the controversy in libya that obviously scuppered her chances so the fact that he's second choice that's not particularly good is it well well i think he's second choice precisely because he's now uncontroversial for the ones you the sort of status quo candidate is that the senator tends to like to push through the fact that he's the foreign relations committee had. game only makes his confirmation all the easier the obama administration wasn't up for a big battle over susan rice and they're not going to get one with kerry so i think he's. for them the ideal second choice because of his sheer on interesting ness jason thanks a lot for that jess and it's n
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ambassador the obama administration had libya checked as a foreign policy success was happening in the region now of course looks anything but success we actually heard that in hillary clinton's testimony as she talked about the spread of extremism in the spread of weapons in the region and the new opening in the war on terror benghazi did not happen in a vacuum the arab revolutions have scrambled power dynamics and shattered security forces across the region instability in mali has created an expanding safe haven for terrorists who look to extend their influence and plot further attacks of the kind we saw just last week in algeria hillary clinton also spoke about how the u.s. needs to help the governments in the region to deal with their security to build their institutions and all of this in the context of this expanding war on terror so to anyone who expected a smaller u.s. footprint in the region that's probably not going to happen from what we heard today if anything one could expect a bigger u.s. footprint in the region and in had testimony hillary clinton confirms the terrorists
ambassador the obama administration had libya checked as a foreign policy success was happening in the region now of course looks anything but success we actually heard that in hillary clinton's testimony as she talked about the spread of extremism in the spread of weapons in the region and the new opening in the war on terror benghazi did not happen in a vacuum the arab revolutions have scrambled power dynamics and shattered security forces across the region instability in mali has created an...
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administration will be less warmongering towards the bridge but two of the country's leading middle east experts orange convinced vision i would bet a certain amount of money we will hear the words all options are on the table come out of his come out of his mouth in addition to the point that we have the appointment of john brennan at the cia who i think is someone who the israelis are just fine with who will continue many of the covert programs of course or drone program but many of the covert programs that would be under his under his authority at the cia that will be very much to israel's liking that will serve to undermine any attempts or any possibilities for. coming to terms of the islamic republic of iran john brennan has been in charge of president obama's targeted assassinations program is a point of push the notorious war on terror in a different perspective and shows that it's far from over they want wars that will not redound against them at home politically so they don't want any more body bags they don't want more american troops. to the extent they want to prevent th
administration will be less warmongering towards the bridge but two of the country's leading middle east experts orange convinced vision i would bet a certain amount of money we will hear the words all options are on the table come out of his come out of his mouth in addition to the point that we have the appointment of john brennan at the cia who i think is someone who the israelis are just fine with who will continue many of the covert programs of course or drone program but many of the...
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of them such a conflict why are they out front well i think that's the obama administration's strategy let's let france take the hit on this as they did in libya and other places in the past year and a half two years and the u.s. will try to play a less discreet or more discreet role in the background rather than being up front as they were in iraq about it gonna stand which cost us huge amounts of credibility around the world so they're playing a little bit more sly game here but the the rush for the u.s. to announce it supported the french military intervention and the actions of africa over the past year and a half two years that involved you make it clear that this is a u.s. operation with the french as a junior partner how far do you think this conflict could potentially as go late couldn't the friend step bogged down and could we see or who might we see else get involved in it. well i don't think the the other european countries are loath to get involved in the afghan. grant situation with their troops the germans are providing humanitarian aid and some special forces training so
of them such a conflict why are they out front well i think that's the obama administration's strategy let's let france take the hit on this as they did in libya and other places in the past year and a half two years and the u.s. will try to play a less discreet or more discreet role in the background rather than being up front as they were in iraq about it gonna stand which cost us huge amounts of credibility around the world so they're playing a little bit more sly game here but the the rush...
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but has continued under president obama and what. hillary clinton did which was more important than anything else during her four years as secretary of state was to be part of the coalition the phalanx if you will of pro-war people which included general mcchrystal. admiral. the admiral mullen and bob gates the secretary of defense she was part of that coalition which really left president obama no choice but to go along with the forty thousand troops that the military was demanding that the crystal was demanding for afghanistan and that was the beginning of this long term trend which usurped the power over u.s. national security policy and in fact over u.s. foreign policy as well because that has dominated everything else the united states has done abroad so i think really the most important part of her legacy was to be an empowering factor in the war in afghanistan so will john kerry continue with that legacy will we see a change in direction. oh absolutely i think we can expect that john kerry will. perforce will wilma must follow
but has continued under president obama and what. hillary clinton did which was more important than anything else during her four years as secretary of state was to be part of the coalition the phalanx if you will of pro-war people which included general mcchrystal. admiral. the admiral mullen and bob gates the secretary of defense she was part of that coalition which really left president obama no choice but to go along with the forty thousand troops that the military was demanding that the...
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administration so it's going to be a very tough month ahead for coalition forming and this may not be the last election campaign we may see here in the coming year we may have a period of unstable well i'm an unstable government and new elections well a major reason it is the state solution israel palestinian conflict that seems to be in a shambles netanyahu wants more settlements how is that affecting his image at home . well i beg to differ it is perhaps in shambles right now because there is no initiative coming from either israel or outside of it however once president obama is just being inaugurated for his second term once he comes out with a major diplomatic initiative with secretary of state john kerry who is for such an initiative then most of the israeli public may turn against or against his own prime minister if he tries to to appear though such an initiative the silent majority in music once a solution and the only possible the only practical solution is the two state solution so we may yet see within the next year or two some breakthrough towards such a solution well let
administration so it's going to be a very tough month ahead for coalition forming and this may not be the last election campaign we may see here in the coming year we may have a period of unstable well i'm an unstable government and new elections well a major reason it is the state solution israel palestinian conflict that seems to be in a shambles netanyahu wants more settlements how is that affecting his image at home . well i beg to differ it is perhaps in shambles right now because there is...
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well i think this is one of the areas where we may see a subtle change in the obama administration certainly the first term was marked more by consistency with the broad foreign power of its in and. of george w. bush then by difference from and now if we look at the new team he's bringing in now there definitely are some signs of shift the most important such sign is the appointment of charcoal to be the new secretary of defense chuck hagel is i mean this is not mince words about this he's an hour right in the me of the neo cons in washington he'd love nothing more than to take them on the debate them his nomination is already opening the door for a debate about the iraq war and whether it was a big mistake for the country something that he go believes and i think by and large obama believes. so i think we see a bit of a shift and maybe the laying of a foundation for a reduction in military spending in fact i think that maybe the reason to tap a republican just as clinton did in his second term on the thinking a republican can make cuts in the defense budget that a democrat could not make an
well i think this is one of the areas where we may see a subtle change in the obama administration certainly the first term was marked more by consistency with the broad foreign power of its in and. of george w. bush then by difference from and now if we look at the new team he's bringing in now there definitely are some signs of shift the most important such sign is the appointment of charcoal to be the new secretary of defense chuck hagel is i mean this is not mince words about this he's an...